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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the follow up Rich.

I agree with you completely. Knowing your farming is always the best first step. I&#039;m not much for the &quot;big guys&quot; salad mixes. (Actually I just eat our own) but I was on the defense of the blanket statement because of some good friends in the Bay area that grow excellent greens that are bagged.

That&#039;s why this whole blogging thing works so well. It can be a true conversation.

Have a good one!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the follow up Rich.</p>
<p>I agree with you completely. Knowing your farming is always the best first step. I&#8217;m not much for the &#8220;big guys&#8221; salad mixes. (Actually I just eat our own) but I was on the defense of the blanket statement because of some good friends in the Bay area that grow excellent greens that are bagged.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why this whole blogging thing works so well. It can be a true conversation.</p>
<p>Have a good one!</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris

You&#039;re right...I kind of glossed over the reasoning for my blanket statement.  Here&#039;s some of it....

-Barring the removal of the vector (pigs, which are impossible to completely remove), or the contamination source (cattle, an expensive, if not politically non-viable solution), this problem will continue to happen to these farms.

-I think that the bagged salad industry will continue to have these issues, even if the contamination sources listed are resolved.  Greens have a high nutrient demand, are hard to wash completely, don&#039;t tend to get washed by the end user, can&#039;t be cooked, and tend to be picked by low paid workers who don&#039;t have much stake in a clean product.

While I have no problem with the hand-bagged greens that we get from Oakhil... I know where they&#039;ve been, I know there aren&#039;t feral e. coli sources wandering the fields, and I know their setup.

While its true that a car crash is more likely, standard safety practices (buckling up, safe driving, etc) improve your chances, just as avoiding a product that has fundamental, intractable problems.  A head of lettuce from the local farmer is worth any extra cost, and the 45 seconds it takes to wash it.  At least to me.

Thanks for your comment

Rich
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right&#8230;I kind of glossed over the reasoning for my blanket statement.  Here&#8217;s some of it&#8230;.</p>
<p>-Barring the removal of the vector (pigs, which are impossible to completely remove), or the contamination source (cattle, an expensive, if not politically non-viable solution), this problem will continue to happen to these farms.</p>
<p>-I think that the bagged salad industry will continue to have these issues, even if the contamination sources listed are resolved.  Greens have a high nutrient demand, are hard to wash completely, don&#8217;t tend to get washed by the end user, can&#8217;t be cooked, and tend to be picked by low paid workers who don&#8217;t have much stake in a clean product.</p>
<p>While I have no problem with the hand-bagged greens that we get from Oakhil&#8230; I know where they&#8217;ve been, I know there aren&#8217;t feral e. coli sources wandering the fields, and I know their setup.</p>
<p>While its true that a car crash is more likely, standard safety practices (buckling up, safe driving, etc) improve your chances, just as avoiding a product that has fundamental, intractable problems.  A head of lettuce from the local farmer is worth any extra cost, and the 45 seconds it takes to wash it.  At least to me.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment</p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich,

You might as well tell folks to not get in their car and drive either considering the chances of dieing in a car crash are still much higher.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I think we all need to take a look at our food systems- big and small. We all need to be aware of contamination points. A very pertinent thing to be aware of. When food systems get to a large scale quality control gets very difficult.

But blankly stating &quot;stay away from California bagged greens&quot; really has little merit on it&#039;s own. It&#039;s always a multifaceted problem.

Just my initial thought on the subject.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,</p>
<p>You might as well tell folks to not get in their car and drive either considering the chances of dieing in a car crash are still much higher.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I think we all need to take a look at our food systems- big and small. We all need to be aware of contamination points. A very pertinent thing to be aware of. When food systems get to a large scale quality control gets very difficult.</p>
<p>But blankly stating &#8220;stay away from California bagged greens&#8221; really has little merit on it&#8217;s own. It&#8217;s always a multifaceted problem.</p>
<p>Just my initial thought on the subject.</p>
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