This is just a quick Chelsea Green clip of him speaking recently

I’m a little skeptical of Joel’s energy analysis…tripling of energy prices would have rippling effects on Polyface farm, from the tons of conventional corn that they import for their chickens to the impact the resulting economic downturn would have on their paying customers.

Further, I prefer the word resilient to forgiving, but that’s semantics, and my own ecological terminology bias. All that said, Joel is always an entertaining speaker, and worth a watch.